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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.24 18:24:00 -
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Do you like the smell of alloyed tritanium bars? Do you like tasting whiny missionrunner tears? If so, then ninjasalvaging might be for you.
Background
Ninjasalvaging, as you might already know, is the act of probing down hisec mission runners and salvaging the wrecks they leave behind. As you can imagine, this ****es off a lot of missionrunners and as such has lead to a lot of delicious tears on these very forums.
However, it is a very profitable venture, and fun as well.
Skills you need/want
-Astrometrics. Depending on the type of probe you want to use (will be discussed later), you will need different levels of this
-Astrometric Pinpointing/Triangulation. I'd train these up a little bit so your scans are more precise. Pinpointing I don't think is as important unless you plan to use recon probes (again will be discussed later)
-Signal Acquisition. Lowers your scan time, most important if you use scanner probes, but very useful nonetheless
-Salvaging. Requires Survey III. Level I will work, but 3-4 makes for faster salvaging
Ships
First, you want a scanship. The best scanship is a covert ops frigate, due to the 10% decreased scan time per level of covert ops. However, if you can't use those, just use a tech 1 astrometrics frigate (Imicus, Probe, etc.). They have a scan time bonus of 5% per level of racial frigatel.
Then, slap a couple Gravity Capacitor Rigs on it (about 4 mil per). Again, not 100% necessary, but very useful as it decreases your scan time.
Then, you need a salvage ship. This is not a destroyer. You can't use tractor beams, so don't bother trying.
What you want it something fast, something that can zip around from wreck to wreck, salvage, and move on. You may need cargo capacity/survivability if you want to loot and/or bait the missionrunner, again will be discussed later. I personally use a Slasher frigate with 3x salvagers, an AB, small cap battery, and an overdrive injector.
Finding A System
What you want is a crowded mission hub. Look for high-quality level 4 kill mission agents, especially for Caldari, and then use the starmap (f10) to check the population of the systems with those agents. If you see both high quality level 4 kill agents AND a huge population, you have found yourself a mission hub! Personally, I use Dodixie, many others use Motsu.
Methods of Scanning
There are two ways to scan down missionrunners.
1) This is the most simple. You just drop down recon probes (Fanthoms, snoops, etc.) down to cover the whole system, and scan until you find something. They have a very low sensor strength, so the chance to find an individual runner is low. However, with probes covering every inch of the system, you're bound to find one. Also, recon probes can be loaded into recon probe launchers, which scan very quickly. Remember that one probe can't be within another probe's scan radius, so pick your placement carefully. Also, shorter-range probes have higher scan strengths, thus higher chances to pick people up in missions, so be aware of this.
When you scan, sit in the solar system map. If you go into the scanner and select your probes, the solar system map will show you exactly how much coverage you have. When the system is thoroughly covered, select DRONE AND PROBES, and SHIPS, and then hit analyze. In the solar system map, you will see circles denoting every hit. If you see a ship that you think might be running missions (Like a Domininx, Raven, etc), warp to it.
If you see a drone, this very well might be a mission, but at the same time it might just be probes forgotten by missionrunners past.
2) My preferred method is the scan probe method. It involves warping around to bookmarks, getting within 4 AU of some missionrunners, and using scan probes. This is much more precise due to the high scan strength of scan probes, but has a short range.
firstly, you need to get some bookmarks out in the middle of nowhere. You have many ways to do this.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.24 18:24:00 -
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.24 18:29:00 -
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.26 05:00:00 -
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Dunno, I tend to get a bit more in Dodixie. I've gotten 1 alloyed trit bars inside of a few minutes before.
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.26 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 26/03/2008 17:02:46
Quote: All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.
Ninjasalvaging is a great source of carebear tears, which 0.0 alliances use to fuel their POSes.
As to ISK/Hour: I tend to get a lot. I find that I can usually track down individual sites very quickly, so it's usually not worth my time to run around going for all the frig wrecks.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.04.29 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sharp Feather Why cant people play the game how its mean to play... all theses ninjas, suicide attack and thief need to be punched in the face IRL.
cowards.
F@$&?# Cowards.
The worts being and the plague of humanity are the MOTHA $&?!#@# cowards. But its not surprising at all to find a lot of them on the internet... since nerdz without power IRL try to cause pain in game because they are too WEAK to do it IRL... or have been traited that way IRL.
aaaaaalalalaal, oh well it will never change anyway. If you search me, Im outside.
PS: If you find my english silly, try to speak french as well as I speak english and then you can say sh?t.
I tried to think of something better, but I really just can't improve on the classics.
Your tears are delicious
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.04.29 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko Nice guide. Btw, a lot of these ninja salvager likes to take loot when they see the missioner not on sight. not sure what they're thinking (come back in a bs?). I used to cloak in a suicide catalyst just to wait for them to flag and then pod them (guess you won't be coming back too soon). Good fun.
Yup. As I said before, if you have a PVP ship in the system, you can use the tactics described in the guide to get your inner YARR on. Who knows, maybe if you keep doing it they'll stop asking for salvaging to flag you to the owner.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.11 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 11/08/2008 04:56:50
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Kahega is the "Father" of the Ninja Salvaging Profession, and I, as the CEO of the Most Successful Ninja Salvaging and Looting Corporation in New Eden support this.
Not really. I first heard about it in a whining /wrists post by a missionrunner complaining that someone would dare enter HIS mission and salvage HIS wrecks in the PVE sologame that is EVE. I really just publicized it and wrote a guide to spite him . That is, someone else thought of it first.
Quote: What is the difference between the recon probes and the other ones?
Recon probes are used with the recon probe launcher. They have a faster scan time, but the signal strength (that is, the chance to land a hit) is tiny. Scanner probes are usually used for exploration, but have massive scanning strengths and are great for finding ships too.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.13 17:46:00 -
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Ah, Maggie. I would personally like to thank you for bumping this thread and ensuring that even MORE people read it and become ninjasalvagers.
Also,
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 14/08/2008 01:10:24 Salvage is not a given. Salvage is when you take a wreck, some useless junk, and make something useful out of it (that is, you SALVAGE something useful from junk). Salvage is a miniprofession that allows people to profit off of wrecks left behind. It was not added as a way for missionrunners to make even more profit.
There are many places where you can salvage. Some missionrunners see the number of wrecks that were just made and decide to salvage in addition to accepting the mission payout. This is just fine. In this case, you're adopting TWO professions...missionrunning, and salvaging. Just because you created the wrecks in a TOTALLY NON-COMPETITIVE ACTIVITY (running missions) doesn't mean that the OTHER profession you're engaging in (salvaging) is not going to be competitive.
Oh, and for those asking for this to be stickied: it's already in the Crime and Punishment Resource Thread (even though it should be in missions and explorations, really). However, I do appreciate people like Maggie bumping it back up and giving more publicity.
Quote: no wonder eve has such a little market share, i hope its their downfall, untill then im gonna mission in 0.0
EVE has been growing every year since it's creation, and I'm willing to bet the mission overhaul coming this winter is going to either make missioning (In hisec) either more risky, less profitable/easy, or both. The fact that you can even mission like you are today is an unintended consequence of other changes which will hopefully be rectified in the future. However, now I'm just ranting.
Anyway, I can't help but feel great at this point. Months ago, ninjasalvaging was a tiny little profession done by a small number of crafty individuals. After numerous whines on the forums, guides being posted, and corps being formed around ninjasalvaging, it's grown incredibly. Now, missionrunners in hubs can expect to have many or most of their missions salvaged. Being a part of the growth of a new EVE profession feels good.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.18 03:26:00 -
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Quote: Anyway, do as you please its just my opinion that its similar to stealing loot and it should be rated accordingly
Oh I agree totally. I am in full agreement with removing looting rights on wrecks.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.01 17:54:00 -
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Guide updated! Check third post on the first page, details how to wtfninja in systems without huge populations and how to be more selective with your targets!
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.01 18:17:00 -
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Also, "Ninjasalvaging" renamed to "professional salvaging" to more accurately describe the profession. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.05 16:58:00 -
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Yeah. I began scanning in Amarr space recently and figured out that the old tactics alone wouldn't work so I began using the directional scanner, probing out missioners that have never known the sweet touch of a Janitor's salvager.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.06 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: ZephyrLexx so, salvaging wrecks doesn't flag peopel for you to attack? how come? surely its an obvious thing?
Salvage isn't another form of looting. Salvaging is a miniprofession added, similar to missionrunning, ratting, mining, or exploration. Some people like to create wrecks and then jump to another profession (salvaging) to use them..much like people mine minerals and produce shit with them.
Salvaging is a totally unique profession. People are just ****ed that salvaging isn't as noncompetitive as their other profession, missioning.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.08 20:42:00 -
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Quote: That is, do you do Grav if you find yourself close to a Caldari ship, etc, and then do you alter the range so that you could use pursuit/comb/sifts rather than just quests, if the range is 2 AU or better?
I select probe types, but I don't usually bother with micromanaging probe ranges. My scan time's at about 105 so I don't bother, although I've considered doing it.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.14 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 14/09/2008 19:29:15 Read
You need to use a scan probe launcher. Also, updating the original post with info about recon probes
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.09 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Nice guide, pity that whiners have invaded.
Pity? Are you kidding?
This thread gives potential ninjas a preview of the BAWWWWing they can expect. If anything it encourages more people to pick it up.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 29/11/2008 18:51:29
There are some strangely -bad- ninjas out there. I cringe every time I hear of someone ninjaing in a destroyer.
But yeah, a well-fit ninja will easily outsalvage any boat that relies on tractor beams...most of the time. If the ninja does not have high salvage skills, no salvage rigs, in a t1 frig etc...and the missioner is in a marauder with a pimped salvage fit (salvage tackle rigs) then he stands a chance of getting maybe 20-40% of the salvage...maybe.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.31 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/12/2008 06:32:46
Quote: I have found this thread very entertaining heck it even encouraged me to want to train up my astrometric skills and probes. I also wanted to know what would be a good salvaging ship to use that is gallente if its possible to use one as a salvager.
An Atron would work pretty well. Most of the t1 interceptor frigs are good. I've heard some say that the Incursus is better. It's still just as agile and fast when fitted right, and has 4 highs for salvagers. An interceptor would be even better
Up to you, really. Anything small and fast. Ideally you should be able to permarun an ABII
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.01.05 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 05/01/2009 23:49:06
Quote: But for the time it takes to drop all those probes and scan sites out by going to BM's you could go to systems with High numbers of belts, start taking down the belt rats with drones whilst mining, earn isk from bounties, my mackinaw gets close to a Million isk per ship load from veldspar/trit and then you come back and salvage the wrecks for the extra loot and sell that off. Always get at least one melted capacitor console, alloyed trit bar or similar high isk items from wrecks. And you can salvage the wrecks for other T1 parts or just reprocess them...
Please tell me you're joking. You're going to get precisely **** in salvage from hisec belt rats. Frigate rats are crap. Personally I don't even go out of my way to salvage them in missions. One melted cap console and alloyed trit bar is about 450K/200K respectively. Salvaging a good Sansha mission can net me 20-30+ melted cap consoles plus a bunch of other valuable salvage (Armor plates, etc).
Ninjaing for profit (Targeting high value missions, e.g. sansha/blood/angel) can actually make more money than mining in hisec if you're good at it.
Quote: Seems with the amount of people complaining on how they search for 5 hours+ for sites and find nothing (they could be doing it wrong, or choosing the wrong times/systems to scan) that its easier salvagig the sites you KNOW are going to be there - your own...
You're thinking of exploration sites. Finding a missionrunner in a busy hub is much easier than finding an exploration site...and even the hard sites don't take 5+ hours (or anywhere close to that) for someone with decent skills.
Quote: But what the heck do I know - I only make 3 mill isk per hour in high sec from my own wrecks and veldspar mining...Cool I'm happy with it...
You should be making more than that mining (Ditch the mackinaw for roid mining. Get a hulk). Regardless, ninjaing can make considerably more than that.
Not that it really matters too much. I ninja because it's fun, not because I obsess over which activity will earn me slightly more ISK/Hour
Quote: "Ninja salvaging" really only works in hi-sec. You get blown up if you do it in lo-sec or null-sec.
Wouldn't really be sure of that. A proper salvage craft is fast; you should be able to align and warp well before you can get tackled. If I was going out to 0.0 for salvage I'd be quite careful.
That said, if you're going into low/nullsec..I'd recommend actually going for the remains of player battles. T2 salvage can be one hell of a moneymaker.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.01.23 21:52:00 -
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Fit a DCII/Shield extenders on your scanship if you can. That would also help.
As for a minmatar ship: I'm personally partial to the Slasher. Slightly slower than the vigil, but a lot more agile. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.10 17:59:00 -
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If you use a disposable alt, then that's petitionable.
If you mean a real alt, then go ahead...even if I don't warp out in time (then return shortly later to salvage your CONCORDed wreck), then salvage ships are dirt cheap anyway...and I'll be back in 5 mins with a newly fit one to get your wreck AND finish salvaging the mission.
Suicide ganking isn't really a good ninjacounter. The best counter is to start *****ing and whining in local and talk as much smack as possible. We absolutely hate that. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.10 20:21:00 -
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Also, FYI: I will be getting on Sisi with some corpmates to test the new scanning system and see how it relates to the art of the ninja so I can update the guide as needed. Also, potentially adding some advanced ninja techniques pioneered by myself and Suddenly Ninjas members at some point.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.15 05:10:00 -
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Yarr. Edited the Scanning section. It now contains a link to the EVELOPEDIA page on scanning, as well as a video guide I recorded tonight. The video's not great so I may rerecord it at some point.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 19/03/2009 18:41:45
Quote: Does Suddenly Ninjas accept anyone? :D
Yup
Quote: Interesting guide. Question - there's obviously people like me that don't always take time to salvage their missions. In the motsu's and dodixies of the universe, to only advantages I can see you gaining doing it this way are:
1. You enjoy the carebear tears (admit it, you do). 2. You gain valuable practice probing, so that at a later point you can do it outside of empire with darker ambitions in mind.
I would think if your motive was just profit, you'd simply broadcast your services for salvage, skip probing and warp straight to the runner, etc. Besides, you might get to loot it too that way. So why ninja salvage?
Part of it is that I do enjoy the tears. There's something about grown men throwing tempter tantrums that they made slightly fewer spacebucks this hour than they would have normally in a competitive PVP game that amuses me.
Another part of it is that it's fun. It -is- profitable, and a good income source. Yes, missionrunning would be more profitable, but I play videogames to amuse myself, not to grind a second job.
Granted, if you're in it for the profit, I would not recommend Dodixie. Serpentis and Guristas salvage. Eeeeeeww.
With the new probing system, it's considerably easy to make a living ninjaing outside the main hubs. If you need money, going down to minmatar or amarr space can be quite good. Also, if you can fit a decent gankship and/or are willing to risk having to abandon due to MR fire, loot can add a lot to one's income.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:30:00 -
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Quote: He was getting at this point though... wouldn't you get more profit by asking mission runners if you can come loot/salvage rather than just salvage? Or do you also do this and just probe mission runners when you're feeling evil ;)
For one, no. Most loot/salvage themselves, and most of those few that don't wouldn't bother creating a bookmark and giving it to me. For two, having to actually probe them down and see their (Feeble) attempts to fight back is interesting. Having one of them shoot me and then coming back in my gank pest is even better
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.30 20:00:00 -
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Just went through and did some general cleanup and clarification. Clarified ship types, new criteria on selecting a system (As you don't necessarily need a hub post-apocrypha), info on the different types of wrecks, and how to use the d-scanner to your advantage in the new system.
As always, I welcome any suggestions you may have.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/03/2009 01:05:54 The wreck belongs to no one. The items within, do.
I can't be assed to bring out all of CCP's quotes on the matter. Oh wait, yes I can
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
Thanks to Marlenus for keeping many (But by no means all) of the dev responses handy in one link
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/03/2009 01:40:59
Quote: I still don't understand the point to ninja salvaging. You go to all that work to get only a small portion of the profit from missions, instead of just running the missions yourself and get the whole shabang? It's almost as bad as cargo traps to pop noobs. There's nothing to gain except a bad reputation.
You can swoop in, loot/salvage, and get out faster than a missionrunner can clear an entire field. If I'm dedicated, I can make 20 mil/hour usually, so profit's not an issue.
I -could- make more, but that's assuming I want to. I play EVE for fun/hour, not ISK/hour
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Good reputations buy you friends. Friends do missions. Hey look, steady supply of wrecks to salvage now!
1. Be nice 2. ???? 3. Profit!
Why the hell would I want a bunch of mission grinders as my only friends? Besides, I have a plentiful supply of wrecks...and my corp/I aren't really hated outside a bunch of missiongrinders (+ we ****ed off a PVP corp, but only because one of their members got butthurt when a mission was ninjaed). As a general rule, anyone who would start raging at someone salvaging is not the type of person I want to associate with -anyway-
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.31 01:52:00 -
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Quote: If you enjoy looting, you can do it faster and for more money by mining. It's practically the same exact thing. Mission runners make 4x what you make, at least, per hour.
It's not even close to the same thing, and no mission runner makes 4x what I do in an hour. Not that it matters Quote:
Ninja salvaging compared to a real profession in EVE is like comparing a fast food worker with a banker.
And missiongrinding compared to a real profession in EVE is like comparing cutting trees for lumber with playing a videogame.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.31 02:26:00 -
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Quote:
However right here you are COMPLETELY wrong. The thing those carebears are crying about is this is NOT a competitive PVP game. (the game itself is so do NOT missquote me here) However you are deliberately salvaging wrecks in an area where they cannot retaliate SPECIFICALY because they can not retaliate. So while it is a competitive PVP GAME, this is a situation in where you do what you do SPECIFICALY because they have no ability to retaliate
(and again i dont support no critisize this action, simply want CCP to adjust the game mechanics so that its fair to both sides, the ninja can still get their loot, but not in a risk free maner)
Then they can move to lowsec where they CAN shoot salvagers.
As far as risk v reward- if missionrunners have such an easy, brainless income source, why the hell should ninjas put their ships at risk? They already do (moreso than MRs) given that they have no tank and can die in seconds.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.01 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: puppetmaster well, every society needs someone to clean up the streets, so no problem here with these people.
We can't all be heroic spaceship pilots that bravely fight off the deadly pirate fleets, risking life and limb for the good of podpilots everywhere
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.01 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Joz Yavavich Nice guide. I have worked both sides of this scenario. This is how I stop ninjas. I use the salvager alt , but also if a ninja warps in, I just stop killing. I can tank any l4 all day long, as I am sure alot of other MR's can. Sure Im not making money, but neither is the ninja, and figuring the salvage I would have lost, the isk per hour is about the same.
I've yet to meet a missionrunner who could outsalvage me. All tractor beams do is bring the loot/salvage to me. Even with Salvaging III and a slasher I was able to beat the dessie altsalvagaers. When you get into the realm of Salvage tackle rigs, Salvager IIs...it's just no contest. I can orbit around and get my salvagers on it before you can.
That said, it may work on some...but not those who have proper fittings/tactics.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 04:53:00 -
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Quote: Greetings all. In the spirit of this thread, I'm going to hijack it and attempt to turn it into something that will annoy and hinder the OP.
You know, it's funny. Every time someone bumps this thread to the first page, it seems like my corp gets an influx of new recruits wanting to be ninjas.
The irony is...epic, really. A little history: A little more than one year ago, I read a forumpost that changed my EVE life forever. It was a missionrunner, whining on the forums about a ninjasalvager. At this point, ninjaing was unheard of. Because of the whines, I got the idea. I tried it, experimented with stuff, and posted my findings in this guide. I'd just like to point out that the more you *****, the more exposure ninjasalvaging gets.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.06 02:53:00 -
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Quote: needs a update
u NEED astrometrics at lvl 2 cause u need combat probes and combat probes require an expanded launcher and the expanded launcher requires astrometrics 2
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I believe this is (now?) called Astrometric Rangefinding. Triangulation doesn't exist (at least in EveMon and Rangefinding seems to do what's described here.
Thanks guys, fixing now.
Quote: Also, why it's even called Ninja Salvaging I don't get. It's not inherently yours so it's not Ninja if I take it. Ninja Looting yes, but not Ninja Salvaging
For a couple reasons
a) You're flying into the middle of a battle with large ships everywhere, zipping from wreck to wreck to salvage, and
b) The missionrunner usually intends to salvage the field; a ninjasalvager gets in there and does it before the missionrunner has a chance.
"ninja" doesn't mean "thief". It more refers to the efficiency and speed at which you do it.
Thanks for the feedback folks. As always, just post any criticism here. If you hate ninjasalvaging, feel free to post and bump this thread back up to the top
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.06 15:58:00 -
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The incoming patch will make scanning down single targets in mission areas child's play, making this even faster for skills ninjas and very easy for new ones. I imagine many players turning this into their primary profession to such an extent that eve gameplay and perhaps economics will change over the coming month.
If you run missions in a battleship within a popular L4 mission system, i think the odds of seeing people pop into your deadspace will rise to the point of changing how people play.
Explain? Link or it's (Not going to) happen
Quote: However, if you are deliberately setting out to annoy/aggreive/upset another player, then there is a real life consequence to that. The intended real consequence of your actions is to deliberately provoke a negative emotional reaction in another person for no reason other than your own enjoyment. This is, at best, morally dubious behaviour. You cannot argue that "it is only a game" at this point, because the intended outcome of your actions is outside of the gaming environment.
It's relative. The way I see it is that someone isn't going to get ****ed off unless they take their internet spaceships way too seriously.
I'd agree with your post, except I see nothing wrong with ****ing someone off who expects to be left alone in a competitive PVP game. It's much like how, if I was playing Team Fortress 2, and some guy was *****ing that the other team was trying to kill him, I'd go out of my way to do it repeatedly. I technically am seeking to **** a real player off, but if he's being an idiot then I don't care.
If you're looking for a more positive point of view: Ninjasalvaging helps teach players about EVE's true nature (that you have to compete for stuff; it's not just handed to you). Many people I run into are actually rather civil. One of the more active members of the Ninja Alliance channel actually discovered the profession after -his- mission was salvaged...so it helps grow the profession, as well.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:08:00 -
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Meh. I don't see that making it much easier to find individual missionrunners.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.06 16:41:00 -
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Quote: You dont see how being able to instantly turn off all scan results except for 1 ship ID would help you sort through a 100+ mission runners? Let me guess, your retort is "im so 1337 already that it wont make a difference."
No, I don't. Unless you have a SPECIFIC ship in mind then it makes virtually no difference.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.07 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Herpes Sweatrash I try ninja salvage but they always pop the wrecks and warp out so I get a targetted!!
a) Go to another mission for the time being and come back in a few minutes or
or
b) Just stay there anyway. You can, if you fly properly, speedtank most mission groups for awhile (unless there are scram rats, in which case GTFO)...and if they pop wrecks...let them. They're just denying themselves access to the loot -and- the salvage.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.10 19:29:00 -
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Quote: curious. what means "whine"? If crime victim go on tv and say, i don't like get robbed, is he whining? mom go on tv say guy kill my child and i don't like that, is she whiner?
If a crime victim goes on TV to complain about being robbed in a video game then yes
If a mother goes on that someone killed her child's internets videogame character then yes.
Quote: real problem is: you bunch of dumb kids. i would say you all full of testosterone and no place to let it out, but that no true (see previous "pale, friendless virgin" comment). You all full of estrogen--nothin but b**ches. With man b00bs. Nice size, but still man b00b.
4/10
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.13 18:04:00 -
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You can actually make decent money salvaging in lowsec with all the t2 wrecks if you look hard enough.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.13 19:02:00 -
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Quote: No one yet has explained how this is any different from real life bullying. Just because it takes place in the context of a game doesn't mean it isn't happening. Many of us played dodge ball as kids in school. Many of us got to experience bullying in the context of a game. Sure the rules say you can throw things at each other; does that mean you should jack somebody in the head from 4 feet away? Or gang up on people when they fall? Or try to hurt them with the ball? No. That's just being a jerk. No rules broken and just a game, but still bullying.
It's different than real life bullying because we're not breaking the rules of game, nor are we even breaking the "Spirit" of the rules of the game.
EVE is open ended enough that not too much falls under the category of "Unsportsmanlike". Aside from macroing/hacking/exploiting/personal harassment, there isn't really anything that wasn't intended for players to do.
Quote: Oh, wait, I slipped out of character--- no like griefses and thiefses. Bad people. Make mad. Add to my kill list. (by the way, is Kahega your main? Or are you just a punk alt?
I ninjasalvage in Penirgman (in Domain), periodically going to Dodixie (Sinq Laison) when doing stuff with my corp. Come visit me
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.14 23:50:00 -
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Hisec isn't secure, it's just a bit more secure than lowsec
Quote: Screwing with people to elicit anger is both childish and stupid and should be avoided by anyone with an ounce of self respect
If the people in question are idiots throwing tantrums over Internet Spaceships then I feel no compassion for them.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.15 19:30:00 -
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Quote: That's my last bit on this. Nice to see how easy it is to troll the trollers. When I get my first billion together (3/4 of the way!), Suddenly Ninjas will be first on the list I hand over to the mercs.
You don't think people have tried that before?
Quote: When I go through your killboards, etc., you show remarkably few kills for 130 members. And the kills are made mainly by the same people.
Part of that is the KB not showing w-space kills, and part of that is that only a few of us gank actively outside of war.
Quote: The number of posts on your boards, blogs, etc. are very sparse.
The blog's updated by Tchell, who is usually too busy. Why the **** would we open our corp/alliance discussion to the public?
Quote: Me thinks your member number is highly inflated with alts, etc, and the real number of members is substantially lower. For all your talk, i don't think you could withstand a full blown assault from a Merc corp with real skills. One day, I'll get to test my theory.
We've been decced by every merc corp under the sun. Go ahead.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.16 06:24:00 -
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Quote: # The range for scooping items from a wreck or container has been increased from 1500m to 2500m. In addition the scoop range for drones has also been increased to 2500m
From the patch notes.
Ninjalooting just became even faster.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:42:00 -
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Quote: so I usually get there first.
And if he just circles you?>
Quote: The thing I have to wonder is, why do some still say they do it for the isk? Most ninjas I know make less than 20m an hour. A dedicated mission runner, just running the missions and collecting the bounty while forgetting the salvage and loot can make upwards of 50-60m an hour with a pure gank-build.
They don't do it only for isk. I do it for the same reason I do anything in a game
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:45:00 -
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Quote: Rarely a problem if he circles me. It's still roughly a 50/50 split, and if he's stupid enough to orbit, despite logical reasoning (Oddly it doesn't always apply), there's only a 45% chance that he'll get his salvagers active before mine, and if he is stupid enough to just orbit me, he kills his profits since I'll usually just stop tractoring stuff in and start popping my wrecks before he can get to them. Either way,
No halfway decent ninja will let you get half the wrecks. He's faster than you, and he's more agile than you, and he probably has better skills/salvage equipment than you.
Also, I doubt he cares if you're going to sacrifice the loot AND the salvage. Most ninjas I've met enjoy it when you pop the wrecks.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:14:00 -
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Quote: I could care less whether I lose money or not. I just want to make their lives a little poorer. They want to grief me, go ahead. I don't care. Just as long as you don't make too much money off it either.
Bolding the funny part. Can't say the destruction of any spacetrash in my internets video game has "made my life a little poorer"
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.18 04:35:00 -
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Hmm there seems to a fairly large number of Ninja Salvager Dilettantes piloting around then....
Since they are not coming up to your standards, could you conduct training for them so they can?
I've actually been tempted. I've heard stories of some very bad ninjas.
Quote:
Someone brighten my day and tell me CCP broke scanning trying to placate the crybaby WH explorers.
works fine for me.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.30 02:01:00 -
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FYI, Scanning is currently bugged. Adding workaround to the top of the guide.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.10 05:32:00 -
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That's entirely pointless.
If you circle the salvager, you can easily pick off the wrecks as he tractors them into you, as with proper maneuvering, you can get in salvage range first.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:01:00 -
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Oh wow, this thread just became a trillion times more amusing
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.14 19:25:00 -
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Ninjaguide updated with information on ganking and "Bounty ninjaing"
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:42:00 -
[55]
Quote:
And TBH, will this thread change any missioner's or any "ninja salvager's" actions in-game? Probably not, and as I look back, I can't understand why I got so worked up about this in the first place.
That's where your wrong. By bumping this thread, you've ensured that more people see it and thus, more ninjasalvagers
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.15 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 15/05/2009 19:21:06
Quote: etc etc etc Now, my logic tells me that this approach is not very logic. So either looting and salvaging a wreck should flag you, or none of both.
You missed the point. My point was just that; that that point of view was illogical. "Ownership" is arbitrary. In the ingame sense, "Owning" the loot means that the faction you're missioning grants you ownership of the loot as part of the mission contract.
Quote: Not being able to deter you from salvaging every single wreck to your liking is a bit a stupid mechanic without any kind of logic. Again one of those well thought out ideas by CCP.
Salvage is not loot. Salvage belongs to no one. It's not a case of a missionrunner defending his stuff, it's a case of a missionrunner wanting to come back to a juicy wreck field and salvage it, then getting ****y because someone else is harvesting it first.
Quote: How are you supposed to be nimble enough to outmaneuver a frigate in a battleship or battlecruiser? A marauder maybe, because of the range bonus on tractors, but what about all those mission runners who cant fly marauders?
Salvaging while you run the mission doesn't stop the 'ninjasalvagers' -- AND, it drags the mission time out considerably. It takes MUCH longer to finish a mission that way than it does to go back and get your salvager after clearing out the npcs.
You're playing as a salvager competing against another salvager. You have the option of using a tractor beam dessie, but you don't have to. Have friends/an alt in a fast frigate specialized for salvaging and you can compete with the ninjasalvager.
Quote: ...Ninjas, after all, were warriors - these salvagers are petty thieves who can only do what they do because they cannot be killed for it. ... I don't get ripped off by you fools very often, but when I do, what inevitably ****es me off is not so much that you do what you do, but that you can do it with impunity. The ******ed 'answer' that we can run missions in low-sec to avoid this problem is ludicrous, because of course it's so much easier/safer to run missions in low-sec!
Close. Ninjas were assassins, but I digress.
Salvage isn't yours. Wrecks aren't yours. You want to, then, take aggressive action on someone merely because you dislike him. If you think that people should be able to pewpew people that annoy them, I'd ask CCP to give my corp killrights on you. Of course, that wont happen because it's hisec. If you don't like the rules of hisec (or the fact that the rules apply to you as well as others), then move to lowsec.
If you're afraid of lowsec, then admit it and accept the fact that hisec has its limitations.
Quote: 'Ninjasalvaging' is stealing, however you try to spin it. All we want is the option of blowing you to bits for stealing from us. Maybe then you would ask first? Is it really so damn hard to show a little common courtesy? You might be surprised how many of us dont want the salvage anyway.
It's internet spaceships. A videogame. No, I don't give two ****s about your ingame wellbeing, even if the salvage WAS yours.
Quote: It takes months of training to build a good mission runner etc etc
And it takes awhile to make a GOOD ninjasalvager too. You need good scanning skills, good salvaging skills and the most agile ship you can. To maximize profit, you also need a good gankship too (BS or T2 cruiser) to retaliate while looting.
Just like missionrunning, ninjaing can be done with low SP and low investment, but is most profitable if you invest time/etc. into it. Also, something tells me he was talking about player skills, not SP.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.16 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 16/05/2009 04:26:03
Quote:
As for Podding from Kahega Amielden by Battle Clinic stats he has 28 LOSSES to 13 KILLS. For an interesting information look up the kills stats of some of the Ninja Salvager's that have posted here. Battleclinic has some information on this.
Look here folks. I'm about to make a stats warrior look stupid and petty.
For one, most of my PVP experience is as a FC/Scout in a covert ops (And I don't fit a TP for KB whoring).
Two, I rat/explore/etc. sometimes in lowsec, which naturally makes me a target...unlike some people in this thread who just sit in hisec until they go out looking for targets.
And thirdly... KB stats tell you as much about a player as the smell of his droppings, especially when your point of reference is battleclinic which relies on people uploading everything.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nefrin Maldoes Just glanced at Tuesday's patch notes, still not seeing anything about fixing the scan bug that has been going on for awhile. Has anyone heard anything at all about when/if this is going to get fixed?
No idea, but there are workarounds, so it's not a huge deal.
Anyway, I think I'll go troll Halada's mining guide and complain about ninjaminers mining the asteroids as I was ratting. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:46:00 -
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Quote: The complaining other ninja salvagers have done in this thread about popping wrecks just being wasteful/pointless etc underlines the effectiveness of this counter.
Explain this. If someone starts popping wrecks, I fly around to each wreck to make sure that they blow up -everything-. How do they make more ISK doing this than they would just leaving it alone?
Quote: Yes, ninja salvaging is stealing
No. The reasons why it's not have been explained multiple times.
Quote: My gripe is not with the stealing (which sucks sure, but hey it happens). My problem is that someone less than 24 hours into the game, on a trial can come and steal from me. They say "Oh wardec me " or something if you don't like what they do, but they're just throwaway alts. I think perhaps Salvage shouldn't be a trial skill. Now if someone who's been playing for 6 months or 3 years or whatever wants to come steal from me...well it still sucks, but hey like I said, it happens, deal with it somehow.
Mission in lowsec. Why do you expect total safety for yourself but demand the ability to shoot newbies at will?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.29 03:33:00 -
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Quote:
By "counter" i meant a tactic that discourages further ninja salvaging rather than a way to safeguard some of that "lost" salvage isk. Obviously blowing up your wrecks will not net you any more isk than leaving the wrecks to the ninja salvager but, at least for a noob like myself, catching only one or two of the large wrecks discourages me from continuing to take the time to scan down another MR with my awesome Probe frigate and astrometrics II skills.
My assumption, and perhaps where I'm wrong, was that the MR has concerns beyond maximizing their own isk/hour. If that's the only figure that matters to them then it's true popping the wrecks will gain them nothing.
Meh. Wreck popping has never been a factor in my, nor anyone else that I know's, salvaging motivation. We enjoy it. It conveys a sense of silent rage which is interpreted as tears.
Quote:
I'm not really looking to argue this point but rather just want to explain why I feel it is theft (and is ok).
Because since whether it's "theft" or not is only relevant in an ingame RP sense: they're stealing from the NPCs they popped.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.29 18:30:00 -
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I hear people say that missionrunning is more profitable a lot of the time...but really, when you factor in looting, I'm starting to question this.
After spending maybe ~20 minutes in a Serpentis mission (which has crap salvage), I easily broke 10 mil...and I expect it to get even better once MWDs are allowed in missions.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.31 16:32:00 -
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Quote:
You have clearly never "tried" with one on scene, good-luck "trying" to steal wrecks or loot from a Marauder.
OH please. A big, slow marauder vs ninjastabber?
He tractors the wrecks within 10km then I move slightly closer. I can nab the loot before he can, as well as start my salvage cycles earlier...and with Salvager IIs, I'm not likely to fail a cycle.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 05:51:00 -
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So all those times I've salvaged/looted -everything- under the nose of a marauder were all hallucinations? whatever you say
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer Hi, Kahega Amielden.
Please, add copyright (Tamer) and link to original russian guide which you have translated
I don't speak russian, and the layout of that guide (despite me being unable to read it) is absolutely nothing like my own.
Also, after running it through a translator...My suspicions are confirmed. How the hell can you think my guide was a straight translation of that one? That one's terrible; it provides virtually no information. Its owner made an attempt to update it for the new scanning system, but still tells people to go Caldari Achura for some reason.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 17:36:00 -
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Quote: Your "guide" and the term "Ninja" salvaging is exact, almost literal plagiarism of earlier version of our guide, placed to the specified address. To steal not well. Usually I do not visit english sites (include eve-online.com) because i am bad in english. Today i translate this topic and we was really surprised by impudent plagiarism from you. And, you have stolen not only idea and the text, but also the name of method described.
The "Idea" of ninjasalvaging. Even if you were the first to come up with it (which, again, I heavily doubt), it does not give you alone the right to talk about it. My "text" is nothing like yours; mine actually explains things. Stealing the "name" is stupid...because even if you were the one to coin it, ti doesn't give you the sole right to use it. It's like claiming that Halada can't create a mining guide because someone else created the term "Mining".
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 03/06/2009 18:21:24
Originally by: Tamer If you have decided to use my idea and my name, I ask to add the information on the original in your grant only. I do not forbid to use it freely and to write about it. I ask to specify only sources, out of respect for another's work.
Look, lets cut the foreplay. Contact me ingame and I'll give you my real name so you can sue me
Nothing I've done constitutes anything remotely close to plagiarism, even if I -had- seen your guide before today.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.03 18:38:00 -
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Quick, someone contact the poster. We can sue Tamer for using the word "Ninjasalvaging" without permission!
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/06/2009 06:43:23
Originally by: brahiem did my first ninja salvage today, didn't get anything out of it but I got the tears of an 03 carebear and got his paladin to shoot all those pretty angel BS wrecks
It's even better when they're from 03, but an obvious bought character. I saw an 03 golem shooting torps at frig rats.
Quote:
I would never believe that Kahega would "steal" a ninja salvaging guide, espically one in Russian.
That being said, you want him to put your "copyright" on his guide, even though, you can't copyright any material that has to do with EVE since it's already under CCP's copyright.
On a side note, does anyone else see an interesting parallel here?
Tamer is accusing Kahega of "stealing" something that has his name on it, but that Tamer doesn't actually have any rights to. I hearby nominate Kahega as the "Ultimate Ninja" for having achieved ninja status both ingame and on related game website
run google translator onthe ''guide'' he linked.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: sir gankalot Hmm, the Russian dude is proving what I have thought all along: ninja salvagers have too big an ego. They're carebears preying on carebears but don't you dare say it to their face :D
I've copyrighted the term "carebear" and I don't recall giving you permission to use it.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer Larceny remains larceny irrespective of, in what text contains more of words
I repeat: I can give you my contact information if you'd like to sue me |
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 04/06/2009 19:43:52
Originally by: Tamer It is a question of your conscience and network ethics.
If you really want to believe I was inspired by the crappy guide you put up (especially when I don't speak Russian), then that's your own problem. Nothing I did even approaches plagiarism. Plagiarism is when you take someone else's work and use it as your own. For me to have plagiarized your "guide", I would have had to translate it somehow, and then copy/paste the translation into this thread.
Given that I didn't do that, there is no plagiarism. And, as pointed out above, the term "Ninjasalvaging" showed up on these very forums 3 months before you published your "guide"...not that it matters, since you can't copyright a word |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tamer google cannot say lies, and you can I understand that you will protect the reputation up to the end, but you have no chances as plagiarism is visible.
You don't know what plagiarism is.
Anyway, go ahead. Please, I encourage you, complain to anyone and everyone you know about the alleged "plagiarism".
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.04 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kva Plexcha Edited by: Kva Plexcha on 04/06/2009 20:28:07 Oh damm I posted in the wrong thread ... didn't realize this was the Peoples Court of Worldwide Copyright thread - thats what happens when you only read 18 pages and not the last 2
It's fine. I think he's done with his whining anyway.
Quote: CCP allows that too, so dont whine about a mission runner doing it.
Who whined? We just stated that it's amusing when a missionrunner does it.
Quote: One can't help that think that the life of this thread and the responses allows Kahega even more carebear tears, even while not actually playing.
It serves a number of purposes. The whines keep it bumped to the top...and provide a good source of amusement.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kay Vaginal When a somebody else approaches a wreck while you are running a mission, wait until they get close to a wreck then pop it. Repeat. You get the mission and bounty cash, they get all the fun of running back and forth only to be denied their pittance at the last moment again and again and again.
There are enough good tips to avoid ninjas that it makes me sad when people think something stupid like this will help them. I, like any other ninja I know, makes a point of going to each and every wreck. If I'm feeling particularly spiteful, I'll get my alpha mael out and pop the wrecks before you so that I get the bounties. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.25 16:07:00 -
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Quote: I've never seen a ninja go for anything but large, you're making your unprofitable past time even less profitable by doing otherwise. I'm not sure if I should tell you this, but you don't get any bounty for blowing up wrecks. Don't let that stop you though! Go ahead and try blowing up somebody's wrecks, be sure to fraps it and post the vid. A good laugh is always appreciated.
Typo. I meant the rats.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.26 21:23:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Haraukiae Youik The devs need to enable us to shoot ninja salvagers by making wrecks property of the original player who shot the npc.
Long overdue change.
You could always renounce ownership of the wreck.
Say a compromise, the wreck belongs to the player who shot it for 15 mins, after that it is fair game.
Salvage is its own profession, not a free loot scheme for missionrunners. Salvagers are protected by CONCORD in hisec just as miners, haulers, and missonrunners are. If you want to shoot people for no reason, go to lowsec.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.27 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 27/07/2009 20:24:08
Originally by: philigus Interesting thank you for the post. this question sort of belongs here... please move wherever it needs... how do you know when you have legal rights to shoot a person?
Their overview row is red.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:51:00 -
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Quote: You are simply lacking skills. It shoulnt' take more than 5 days to get astro IV, and all the support skills up to III, which will make things much easier for you. Using sisters gear with a probe bonus ship also helps out.
I don't get the point of Astro IV. 7 probes might be useful for some very specialized initial probe formations...but I never use more than five (and that's just for the initial scan)
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 06/08/2009 21:56:03 Ah, alright. It's been about a year since I trained those skills, back when Astro IV was needed to do effective scanning -anyway-. Didn't even know it was a prereq.
Quote: (whatever deviation is).
Place four probes at 64 AU in a box and scan. Now, set those probes to .5 AU and put them around one of the dots you see. When you scan again, you will see absolutely nothing.
That's deviation.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 06:28:00 -
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Confirming that we are STILL reeling from the loss of a few ~500K ISK salvage frigates.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:28:00 -
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Quote: A, another 10 days and I can have Pinpointing 5 along with the other 3 skills at 5, will it be worth while to train it?
For ninjaing, probably unnecessary (though maybe helpful).
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.21 01:00:00 -
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Updated the scanning video. Now with fixed scanning bugs, ****tier audio quality, and less fail all around!
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.22 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 22/08/2009 23:50:51
Originally by: g0ggalor
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Updated the scanning video. Now with fixed scanning bugs, ****tier audio quality, and less fail all around!
Still got some fail in the video though. You should make another one and keep doing so till you have where you don't mess up the explanation.
Yeah, I might do that tomorrow. Or when I'm feeling less lazy.
Also, lol at butthurt missionrunners trolling the youtube comments.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.09 22:22:00 -
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Ninjasalvaging should have as much risk as missionrunning does.
That's pretty much what happens now, so no.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.10 01:13:00 -
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Pretty much. Many missionrunners will warp out and leave you with the entire spawn to deal with...or you just zip around and manage to pull aggro from NPCs that the MR hasn't yet.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.10 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 10/10/2009 15:54:12
Quote: Probing down people can be a bit tricky, other times you'll get a good hit within a few minutes.bit
Depends, really. If you know how to scan you're guaranteed a hit within 5 minutes if you're in a decent system. In Dodixie you can just move a formation of 4 AU probes around and collect the hits.
If you don't know it, then, it's hell trying to learn. I remember the first day of Apocrypha, where all of SN corp chat and The Ninja Alliance were working together to figure out WTF we were doing.
Quote: As for risk, a salvage ninja runs about the same risk as a mission runner, probably a bit more. Look at it this way: When was the last time you lost a ship in a mission? The last ship I lost in a mission was a Merlin (I fly BCs now, and would be flying BSs if I could be bothered to train for them). Not counting lag or your own stupidity, mission running in high-sec is pretty much risk free. At least ninjas are only flying frigates, so if the MR warps out and the ninja gets webbed/scrambled by NPCs, things can go belly up pretty fast. And then there's always a possibility that a MR will have a crack at you, and some of those L4 running BSs can pack a hell of an alpha strike if the ninja stops moving.
For frigates this is very true; many ninjas do so in faction frigates or interceptors, which can be rather expensive and fragile. I personally fly a Fleet Stabber for the extra loot and ridiculous agility, which can also have about 26K EHP as well...and a flight of drones for killing tacklers. A properly-fit salvage fleet stabber wont die to any situations that wouldn't kill the missionrunner himself (E.g. lag or falling asleep/going AFK). However, it also costs about 120 mil.
So, pretty much, the risk of ninjaing is at least on par with the risk of missionrunning, and probably a bit higher.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.10 23:03:00 -
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Quote: Is there anything more frustrating than arriving at a mission where the accel gate (due to the MR ending the mission) has vanished and yet scanning and seeing all those wrecks. How do you get to those? WIll the Sister's Deep Space probes work as others have suggested? Give a newbie a hand here.
You cannot scan down the wrecks themselves. You can, however, pop out combat probes and find the missionrunner when comes back to salvage the wrecks (if he does at all).
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.14 02:19:00 -
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Anyway, random other bit of info: I replaced the old video with a new one with less "uhhhhhhhhh"
I could make a fancy one involving bullet points, better presentation, etc, but this is likely all I can do for awhile given my current workload.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.14 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 14/10/2009 19:52:15 Can cargo scanners actually see into loot cans?
Anyway, I loot myself...but I don't go disposable. My salvage boat is a Fleet Stabber; 26K EHP and 1.8s align time, with 375 m3 cargo. Sure, it would suck to lose, but it's tanked hard enough that I can go around looting as much as I want while being able to pretty much ignore the missionrunner. I've been tempted to add a new section of the guide for looting.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.15 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey
Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 14/10/2009 19:52:15 Can cargo scanners actually see into loot cans?
What's this? I knew something a director of SN didn't know?
you noob.
Don't you have a Fleet Tempest to run missions in?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.15 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 15/10/2009 20:44:51
No, actually. Why scan in an inferior ship? It's easier to just probe down several hits at once with a good scanship and swap to the fleet stabber for salvaging/looting. I misspoke though; 24K EHP instead of 26K, nanofibers reduce structure HP. Core defense field extender is a good idea for the last rig slot, though...which would bring it up to 26K [Stabber Fleet Issue, Ninja] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Damage Control II
10MN Afterburner II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II
Salvage Tackle I Salvage Tackle I [empty rig slot]
Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2
NO implants whatsoever. 1.7s align time with max skills, 1.8s with my skills.
Also...
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[Stabber Fleet Issue, Ninja boat]
4x Salvager I Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher (Sisters Combat Scanner Probe)
I'm insulted that you'd imply that I used t1 salvagers
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.15 21:01:00 -
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I turn off my AB/MWD when I'm planning to warp...
Also, holy ****ing christ I need to get a set of nomads...
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.16 00:19:00 -
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Huh. Were there any agility changes in Apocrypha 1.5? I was still using the old version of EFT which said 1.7s. Same fit in new EFT says 2.6s.
Anyway, you're right. Still very nice, though.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.11.03 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox oh thats when you start rolling a suicide ganker to hang around in a destroyer in your missions.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: SUOL TAKKER No matter how you loosers call it. If I kill someone in pvp I prefer to salvage his wreck. If i kill npc in mission, I want my reward. Its doesnt matter if ccp allowing it ing game, its what you are in nature. If you are a "RAT" in real life you'l be a "RAT" in game. I newer salvaget wreck that was not killed by me. That includes pvp wrecks and loot. All of that profit and fun its just an excuse.
3/10. Almost resembles a real emorage post, but your name reveals you.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Undivided
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:24:00 -
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Quote:
- 1 Sit in a wreck field with a "salvaging ship" (but with scram and something to kill a frig)
- 2 If a frig comes, let him steal, then kill him (FIRST LOL inside)
- 3 After he warped out, quickly warp out too. Take your pvp ship and return where you were. Some chances he comes back too with a pvp ship.
- 4 PAWN HIM (SECOND LOL or not =)
Depending on skills and ships involved, of course...you could very easily die as well.
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Take 2-3 noob alts with destroyers and arties while youre doing the mission. Wait for the salvager Suicide gank it
He will come back so you can cancel your mission... but anyway, he's focked and youre not ^ ^
You lose many times the ISK that he did...not to mention the fact that most ninjas I've met who don't salvage in something tanked have a ****load of spares ready and fitted up. You waste a lot of time (and utility, as your alts could be used for other things) doing that.
Also, you can only do this for a certain amount of time before having to rat your sec status back up, since just recycling the alts is an exploit?
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A last one maybe and the easiest
Always take your time to shoot at your own wrecks. Never let a ninja earns something from you. You will loose time, it's true but he too.
okay...?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 22/09/2010 06:39:14
Quote: Kahega really should update the OP with new infos. Rig changes made gravity rigs dirt cheap, vigil's the best salvage ship... and some others i can't remember.
Just resubbed actually. Good point, updating OP. Anyone is free to point out anything that needs to be updated now.
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Kahega Amielden
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2010.12.20 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 20/12/2010 03:00:43
Quote: Is there a way to increase your chances of hitting people running lvl 4's through probing? do the filters regarding ship/cosmic sig type actually work?
Late response but...
Filters -do- work, but the problem is they don't give you any new information. If you haven't gotten the signal strength high enough to know what type of ship it is, then the filters won't help you. They will only kick in when you get past the 25% mark.
On your end, that may show up as, "wtf why did the signal disappear?"
If you narrow down a signal and that takes it over 25%, and it turns out that the signal was not on your filters, it will just not show up. For this reason, you should have all ships on your filter.
Quote: I'm looking' forward to having my mission ninja-looted.
I've got a stash of cheap T2 fit pvp rifters / ruptures I'm building up for "oh, the missionary warped out to cause me grief, lol...wtf...way am I tackled..." effect.
If overwhelming neutral repÖ arrives, then oh well, take the cheap loss and log for the nite, play some other game, watch some movies...etc. If not neutral RR, eat ninja for breakfast, THEN log for the nite, play some other game, watch some movies...etc
The problem is, ninjalooters maximize speed and agility. It's not likely you'd hold one down in a rifter. I could only see it working if the mission allowed MWDs, you had a MWD/scram, and he only had an AB.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:35:00 -
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So I resubscribed recently after school died down to find out that some hilarious e-drama resulted in The Ninja Alliance being yoinked. The new place to discuss ninja-related activities would be "Ninja Dojo". |
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